May 26 • 21M

The Shape of Things to Come

Ron DeSantis and everything after.

May 26

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Jonathan V. Last

Sarah Longwell

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Sarah and JVL talk about the DeSantis launch, his January 6 pardon weasel words, and the norming of soft-authoritarianism.

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