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Meet Beta Ron
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Meet Beta Ron

DeSantis doesn't get the politics of dominance.
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Sarah and JVL talk about Ron DeSantis’s not-really-a-pivot on Ukraine, what it says about his campaign, and what we’re learning about him as a political commodity.

Also: Why do the anti-antis hate the Never Trumpers above all others?

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