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The Doorstep of Crisis
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The Doorstep of Crisis

Also: DeSantis vs. Newsom.
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Sarah and JVL talk about the Fox “debate” between Ron DeSantis and Gavin Newsom and also Robert Kagan’s cri de coeur about the coming danger to democracy.

You can read the Kagan piece here.

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